Keep all comments clean and in the spirit of good sportsmanship and good manners. Any criticism of an individual player or personal attacks on players, coaches or referees will not be posted on the forum.
NO POSTS ADVERTISING PRODUCTS OR SERVICES OF COMMERCIAL VENTURES ARE ALLOWED ON THIS FORUM WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM FORUM MODERATORS.
Posts on this forum are moderated, so there will be a delay between the time you submit your post and the time it appears.
Have they released all state yet? Also I noticed Sean Seaver is listed as a senior. He's only a junior. Class of 2016
18 :48 07/6/2015
USA Today ALL-USA NC
USA TODAY High School Sports is proud to announce the American Family Insurance ALL-USA North Carolina Boys Lacrosse Team. Players were selected based on their athletic achievements from the 2014-15 season.
Team of the Year: Charlotte Latin School (Charlotte)
Coach of the Year: Dick Sipperly, Charlotte Latin School (Charlotte)
Player of the Year: Carson Song, Attack, Charlotte Latin School (Charlotte)
Owen Armstrong, Charlotte Latin School (Charlotte), Senior Jack Hayden, Apex High School (Apex), Junior Peter Pittroff, Charlotte Country Day School (Charlotte), Junior Carson Song, Charlotte Latin School (Charlotte), Senior McLean Voelkel, Ravenscroft School (Raleigh), Senior
Chandler Besser, Apex High School (Apex), Senior Drew Davis, Ravenscroft School (Raleigh), Junior Nick Forbes, Cardinal Gibbons High School (Raleigh), Senior Luke Gentlesk, Charlotte Christian School (Charlotte), Junior Jackson Monnin, Charlotte Latin School (Charlotte), Senior
Peyton Smith, Athen Drive High School (Raleigh), Junior
Jack Diebolt, Middle Creek High School (Apex), Senior John Donohue, Charlotte Country Day School (Charlotte), Junior
Nate Hill, John T. Hoggard High School (Wilmington), Senior Chris Lappin Cardinal Gibbons High School (Raleigh), Senior Ellis Llewellyn, East Chapel Hill High School (Chapel Hill), Senior Clifton Mathis, Charlotte Latin School (Charlotte), Senior Sean Seaver, Apex High School (Apex), Junior
Alex Bassil, Durham Academy (Durham), Senior Kevin McKendry, Cardinal Gibbons High School (Raleigh), Senior
14 :02 07/6/2015
All state 2015
Have the 2015 All State teams been released? Private school and All American choices have been posted but nothing else?
10 :32 07/6/2015
US Lacrosse 2015 - East NC High Scool All Americans
CJ Carpenter(Sr) Attack Riverside Nick Forbes (Sr) Attack Cardinal Gibbons Chandler Besser (Sr)Midfield Apex Chris Cox (Jr)Midfield East Chapel Hill Stephen Albright (Sr)Midfield Cardinal Gibbons Ellis Llewellyn (Sr) LSM East Chapel Hill Christopher Lappin (Sr)Defense Cardinal Gibbons Sean Seaver (Sr)Defense Apex Kevin McKendry (Sr) GoalieCardinal Gibbons
08 :41 07/6/2015
West preseason ranking 2016
1. Charlotte Catholic 2. Lake Norman 3. Myers Park 4. RJ Reynolds 5. Lake Norman Charter 6. Marvin Ridge
Anyone have predictions for how the 2016 season will play out? East and West predictions would be nice.
13 :08 06/29/2015
Shamrocks at Gait Cup
All Stars 2016 Game Luke Frankeny (Attack Hoggard 2017)2 G's Gunner Phillip(Attack Hoggard 2017)1 G, 1 A Tony Batchelor (Defense Cape Fear Academy) 2017/2018 Game Keegan Santos (Defense New Hanover 2017) Donovan Jones (Midfield Hoggard 2018)1 G
16 :10 06/28/2015
So.. it cleared for good around 8:40?? Which of course was not known at the time... and you have to wait at least 30 minutes after last lightening to get on the field... and then warm up so no one gets hurt. Let's be generous and say the first game starts at 9:15; if you played two one-hour games.. that would mean the second game isn't finishing until at least 11:30? And then folks are going to drive back home to Charlotte? Seriously? The decision was the best for the safety of all concerned. The field was already a mess by that point. Everyone would have liked the games to have gone on, but how much would people have been complaining if someone had gotten seriously hurt in the mudpit that the field had become, or, heaven forbid, gotten into an accident driving home in the wee hours of the morning.
14 :43 06/27/2015
Tar Heel at King of the Hill
Congrats to both Tar Heel teams at the KOH tournament this week. Both showed strong. Congrats to the All-Stars as well: 2016/2017 Kevin Barry (Cardinal Gibbons) Calin Eckard (Enloe) Jared Medwar (Middle Creek) Mitchell Snyder (Broughton)
2017/2018 Charlie Doetzer (Middle Creek) AJ King (Middle Creek) Sean Nelson (Cardinal Gibbons)
18 :34 06/26/2015
PowerAde East/West Games
The high school PowerAde games were postponed due to weather Thurs evening (6/25). I feel badly for supporters from West who drove several hours and do not agree with decision to postpone or cancel or postpone as weather cleared for good around 8:40. Please post if game is re-scheduled
07 :11 06/26/2015
Lax4U tournament this weekend, u-15 teams needed
We have two open slots for our tournament in Gastonia this weekend. The fees are paid, so it's free entry and discounted tickets to the Hounds game on Saturday night. Please email email@example.com for more information.
13 :45 06/25/2015 - Lax4U
Need U13/2020 Player for This Weekend
Yesterday we had three players cancel on our U13 travel lacrosse tournament this weekend in Virginia Beach. The games are this Saturday and Sunday. If you would like to take advantage of this opportunity and play lacrosse let me know. The tournament is a novice level and would be competitive for our skills base. The registration is FREE since the players originally scheduled to play dropped out last minute.
12 :59 06/25/2015 - CYLC Coach Potwin
I would add the following talents in the 2018 class:
Adam Barry Gibbons BUCKTOWN Phillip Blakely - Cary HS CANNONS Benson Easley Durham Academy CANNONS Max Bozymski - Woddberry re-class CANNONS Jack Curtice - Woodberry CANNONS William Rice - Broughton
19 :23 06/24/2015
Local 2018 Kids
Congrats again to Owen Caputo; he is definitely a top talent as are the other 2018 kids listed in the previous post. Other local kids that are clearly next level talent are: Pat Edny - Gibbons Matt Berendsen - Gibbons Clay Baker - Ravenscroft Middie Simon Perkins - East CH Defense AJ King - Middle Creek LSM
As other have mentioned, this class is especialy loaded with talent. Good luck to all these kids.
08 :20 06/24/2015
N&O All Metro
The Raleigh N&O All Metro team is typically chosen from public & private schools in the Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill Metropolitan area
On the public school side that's 30 schools in Conf 3, Conf 4, Conf 5 & Conf 6
The respective public & private All State lists are your best chance to determine "the best of the best", however, they are still done regionally and the voting (at times) can be very political with some horse trading between coaches, programs & conferences
23 :12 06/23/2015
N&O All Metro Team - Congratulations
Being from Charlotte, can you shed some light on what schools / areas are covered with the "All Metro team"?
Is anyone knowledgeable (and unbiased enough) to put together a comprehensive All NC list combining East and West, public and private - the Best of the Best?
06 :58 06/23/2015
Ticket price to Thursday's HS game at Duke
Tickets are $5.00 to Thursday's game at Duke. I've been told the stadium rental was in the $5K range so I'm guessing they state games people are trying to recover a bit of the cost of the rental, uniforms and other costs.
06 :36 06/23/2015
State games question
Is there a charge for spectators to go to the state games high school lacrosse game on Thursday at Duke?
22 :26 06/22/2015 - Tlax
N&O All Metro Team
Boys Lacrosse All-Metro team
Stephen Albright,Cardinal Gibbons,Sr. Crusader is tough on faceoffs
Nick Arcuri,Middle Creek,Sr. Goalie for 18-2 Mustangs
Chandler Besser,Apex,Sr. 37 goals, 31 assists from midfield
Owen Caputo,Middle Creek,Fr. Scored seven goals in first varsity game
C.J. Carpenter,Riverside,Sr. Led Pirates’ attack
Chris Cox,East Chapel Hill,Jr. Scored 62 goals and added 4 assists.
Drew Davis,Ravenscroft,Jr. Handled the midfield for Ravens
Jack Diebolt,Middle Creek,Sr. Long-stick midfielder pivotal to Mustangs
Nick Forbes,Cardinal Gibbons,Sr. 4 goals, 7 assists in state finals to net MVP
Jack Hayden,Apex,Jr. 51 goals, 4 assists for 4A champions
Chris Lappin,Cardinal Gibbons,Sr. Big Eight defensive player of the year
A little late, but posted for those who missed it...
N&O final rankings
1. Cardinal Gibbons 17-4
2. Apex 20-2
3. Middle Creek 18-2
4. Ravenscroft 15-2
5. Leesville Road 15-2
6. Athens Drive 13-6
7. East Chapel Hill 12-5
8. Enloe 13-5
9. Broughton 13-4
10. Chapel Hill 12-7
1. Cardinal Gibbons 19-2
2. Apex 13-3
3. Wakefield 17-1
4. Durham Academy 11-5
5. Ravenscroft 12-4
6. Broughton 13-3
7. Chapel Hill 11-4
8. East Chapel Hill 9-7
9. Athens Drive 9-6
10. Middle Creek 10-4
12 :45 06/22/2015
2018 class Triangle area -STRONG
Congratulations to Owen Caputo, the first of many D1 caliber players from the triangle area who will be playing D1 lacrosse upon graduating HS. The areas best 2018's and projected Division 1 talent. Biestek -Cannons Def Callahan-Tar Heel Mid Carpenter - Cannons. LSM Huffstetler - Cannons. Def Watson - Cannons Mid Wozencroft - Bucktown LSM Zarnick - Cannons. Mid
Any other 2018's that should be on this list? :
06 :59 06/22/2015
Powerade East/West teams named
Congrats to all the boys and girls who were selected for this years team. Looking forward to next Thursday night at Duke. http://pag.ncsports.org/userfiles/file/HS%20Lacrosse%20Rosters%202015.pdf
19 :33 06/20/2015
NC State Games
Congratulations to those selected to participate in the NC State Games Lacrosse Showcase! http://pag.ncsports.org/userfiles/file/HS%20Lacrosse%20Rosters%202015.pdf
12 :30 06/19/2015
Tar Heel Lacrosse
Tar Heel Lacrosse CLub was up in Baltimore last weekend playing in week 1 of the Baltimore Summer Kickoff. Both Teams Went 4&1 playing against very good competition, many college coaches where in attendance. They will head north again this weekend to play in the King Of The Hill event.
06 :40 06/19/2015
Good Luck to the travel teams heading to the tournaments this weekend. Love to see results and highlights from around the state. Be proud and post.
16 :27 06/18/2015
Congrats to Middle Creek A/M Owen Caputo, who committed to Duke where his father Ron Caputo is an assistant coach. Racked up over 110 points as a freshman and continues to dominate with his travel team out of Long Island. It will be awesome to see what this 2018 class can become. In the Raleigh area, many 2018 players had excellent freshman seasons and have been exposed to some of the best 2018s in the country playing for red devil and tar heel.
19 :29 06/17/2015
Cap 8 & SWAC
It's published that events such as invitationals, like Champions Challenge, and playoffs are exempt from rule. Therefore, I believe those schools can be "invited" to play private schools or non-boarding parochial schools such as Gibbons and Catholic. The Champions Challenge is a great event for an even better cause and it would be a shame to exclude any school because of a conference by-law. Let 'em play!
18 :49 06/17/2015 - Fan of Good Rivalies
THLC Mark Schachte
Nice write up on Mark Schachte competing for Tar Heel Lacrosse Club last weekend.
I'm sure the readers of this forum appreciate the clarification of the voting process for all region/state/AA. Congratulations to all players who made post season honors, it's well deserved. If anyone can post the final all state teams (1st and 2nd team) I'm sure everyone would enjoy seeing them. I still haven't seen them. We'll see the AA posted on July 1 on USL website.
To SMH@YOU. No need to get personal, this is an informative forum. The question was asked how do certain kids get left off and I tried to answer the question. It's a voting process.
I have coached on youth level, and club level for past 15+ years. My kids HS career is long over, son and daughter. They had a great experience. I've seen the sport grow as many more rec leagues are popping up all over NC. More middle schools have teams and more high schools have varsity teams now, as evident by NCHSAA sanctioning lacrosse in 2010. More high schools are getting better and better. More HS teams are playing games against out of state opponents, another encouraging trend. I have been involved, just not as a HS coach because of the time constraint.
I'd like to see better media coverage of HS lacrosse. I believe the states largest newspapers could provide much better coverage during the season. I urge you all to be vocal to the media outlets in your respective regions of NC.
Again, congratulations to all players and I look forward to another exciting season in 2016!
06 :34 06/16/2015 - Lax Junkie
Jimmy may be old and gray but not too tired to stand his ground, if Timmy reappears and proclaims himself the LAX expert in Crown Town.
19 :57 06/15/2015 - Jimmy the Geek
Only two chapters in NC
There is no private school chapter of US Lacrosse in NC just as there are no East and West public school chapters of USL. Chapters are made up of US Lacrosse members, not necessarily the coaches and players. The vitality of a chapter is determined by the energy of the members.
And as stated previously there is no mandatory statewide meeting of coaches; that is just pure fantasy.
Is there room for improvement in selecting all-state and all-Americans? Sure there is but too date no one has proffered a better system to my knowledge.
As for All-Americans, unless USL has changed their formula(which hopefully they have and I have missed it), the formula called for 1 A-A for every 5 varsity teams in a state. With the privates having 23 teams this year, they would be allocated 4 A-As. With the publics having 93 teams this year, the publics would be allocated 18 A-As. Suffice it to say, IMHO, there are not 22 A-As in NC. To be honest, I'm not sure that you would have to use second hand to count the A-As; at least IMHO as to what would constitute a player of A-A status.
So maybe someone will come up with a better "mousetrap", or maybe they have and I missed the news.
19 :03 06/15/2015
Great post regarding the voting process. Regarding Academic All-Americans, the handbook states the academic standards are set by the area (regions?) - wondering if anyone can share these for NC. Also curious why this is limited only to seniors. Sustained academic performance I suppose, but 3 (junior) or even 2 (sophomore) years of sustained excellence in student athleticism seems worthy of acknowledgement as well.
16 :14 06/15/2015
SMH @ YOU ... (part 1)
Lax Junkie –
As often happens on this forum, you’re summarily wrong and primarily misinformed.
1. First, you should read this: http://www.uslacrosse.org/portals/1/documents/pdf/participants/players/boys-chairmen-handbook-2015.pdf and understand that the All-American guidelines are primarily dictated by US Lacrosse. It will probably clarify a lot of your misconceptions. The “Regions” are determined by the US Lacrosse “Chapters” and in NC we have 3 US Lacrosse Chapters (East, West, Private).
2. “ALL coaches from around the state are supposed to attend a year end meeting to vote…”
That is just FALSE. The West Chapter and East Chapter meet to vote on their respective regions (and may have different by-laws which outline how voting proceeds). In our chapter, ALL coaches are INVITED to attend the meeting but only 2 coaches from each conference have voting power (generally the #1 and #2 teams in the conference, unless a coach forgoes his spot for any variety of reasons… then generally the #3 team is represented, or #4, etc etc). SO – while all are INVITED to attend and nominate players, only 2 coaches per conference VOTE on the All-Region members…. Basically voting akin to the US Senate.
(Think about what a cluster-bomb it would be if ALL those who attended got to vote… the meeting would be dominated by coaches who only need to drive 10-20 minutes to the meeting site and those from the far corners of the state / conferences would have essentially no voice at all… basically like the House of Reps... because the reality is that coaches have lives and families and herds of them can’t schedule a 3-hour drive on a Saturday morning to vote in blocks. Nor should they have to.)
Furthermore, here’s the basic process, outlined below:
a. All coaches are INVITED to have their input on the All-Conference team(s); it is their responsibility to represent their program. As per the US Lacrosse rules (linked above), only players on the All-Conference team can be voted on at the All-Region Meeting.
b. Each region decides their All-Region Team. Only 1st Team All-Conference players are listed on the ballot (because the assumption is that they’re the best of the conference) at the All-Regional meeting but coaches are invited to nominate other members of the All-Conference team(s). (This is not generally DONE with any success because if the conference coaches didn’t see a player fit for a first team designation, why would a conglomerate of coaches supersede the conference’s wishes… but it is a viable possibility if a coach feels that, say, the 4th best Middie is Conf 21 is better than the 2nd best middie in Conf 22 then he can put that player’s name in the respective hat… but it’s unlikely to result in many votes. Like a 3rd party candidate becoming President… possible but not really done successfully.)
c. The two All-Region teams combine to make the All-State team (divided regionally, look at the links above the Twitter Feed). The top vote-getters from each subsequent All-Region become the All-Americans. The number of All-Americans is decided by US Lacrosse and dictated by the # of participating schools per state. In NC we have two enormous regions (East & West); in other states, they have multiple regions.
d. The top vote-getters for a particular region become All-Americans. (9 AA = 2 mid, 2 att, 2 def, 1 gk, 1 lsm, 1 f/o) … again, this is dictated by Chapter by-laws and by-laws are made by representatives of the conference.
14 :43 06/15/2015
SMH @ YOU and your junkie junk. (part 2)
3. “…the voting is flawed…kids that deserve to be on these teams don't make it because they don't get enough votes…”
Well, this is true in nearly every aspect of voting and especially with sports. Each year someone or some team gets “snubbed” in a voting process… if collegiate and professional sports haven’t figured a way to avoid this, why would you think high school sports would be any different? It’s a human invention and has human error… however, overwhelmingly the best players from each region are recognized…. 95% of the time, it’s a legit distinction. The only caveat that I can ponder here is that benefit tends to be given towards the elder players… a Senior middie with near-equivalent stats tends to get more votes than a Sophomore middie. I believe the concept being that the Sophomore has 2 more years to prove his worth and show he is deserving whereas the Senior does not have that benefit. Sure, it’s imperfect but such is the concept of Seniority.
4. “…A kid in a particlur [sic] region might get 10 votes, but a more deserving kid gets 8 because only those 8 coaches saw him play…” Again, summarily misinformed…that’s not even how the voting process works. It’s a tiered points system!! … i.e. Goalies have one 1st Team designation, one 2nd Team, and one HM (3 designations all total)… so a voting coach has a “3 point vote”, a “2 point vote”, and a “1 point vote”… the outliers (highest #, lowest #) are dropped and points are tallied by multiple coaches. The results are then the results.
5. “…more importantly, vote objectively” My personal favorite because it just speaks to how little trust you give to an entire region of coaches which probably says a lot about the state of affairs in NC Lacrosse and coaching in general (and I feel bad for your program’s coach). Clearly coaches are biased and cannot be trusted to do what is best for the players…. Which is why you’re comfortable putting your sons (or yourself) with them for 10-15 hours a week.
6. “Not to take anything away from the kids the made the post season teams, but…I'm not convinced they are the best NC has to offer..”
That is PRECISELY what you are doing, attempting to denigrate those who were named All-Conf/Region/American… stop it. It’s disgusting. Go play with your kid… pick up a lacrosse stick and play with your son. This will, in the long run, matter WAY more than a simple designation… it, honestly, probably matters more to you than your son.
7. “The system needs to change because not all coaches attend meeting and not all coaches vote objectively.”
Well, you started and ended incorrect, so there’s that. But if you’re SO convinced that the system is flawed, I encourage you to go out and seek a coaching position… there are plenty vacancies within an hour drive of you, I promise. You can then be on the inside and can see the reality for yourself… you can have a hand (an actual hand, not an electronic voice) in changing the system to what you see as more transparent and fair.
(Note: Certainly politics are at play on occasion; it would be disingenuous to pretend otherwise…. such is the human condition… nothing is ever going to be 100% fair or perfect and the expectation that it is seems ignorant. However, for the most part it’s difficult to deny greatness and those who are truly deserving are recognized more times than not. …. A modest proposal would be eliminating all awards entirely and just letting the players enjoy the game and play for the sake of playing and keeping their bodies healthy, you know… like it was originally intended.)
14 :42 06/15/2015
Jimmy the Geek
Jimmy earned it. He didn't claim it. Timmy - you have a long way to go!
14 :27 06/15/2015
Cap 8 & SWAC - wont play non-publics
Does this preclude Apex from participating in the Champions Challenge? If so too bad as they have a great program and like Marvin Ridge & Lake Norman are not disadvantaged in lax by being a Public School.
13 :23 06/15/2015
With Jimmy's retirement, it's time for the return of Timmy the Greek. I know I've been absent from the scene for a while, but this town is looking for a new super hero.
12 :36 06/15/2015 - Timmy the Greek
Wondering about 11 and the west
Essentially, the voting is flawed! ALL coaches from around the state are supposed to attend a year end meeting to vote on Conf/Region/State/All-American. Not to take anything away from the kids the made the post season teams, but unfortunately, not all coaches attend and kids that deserve to be on these teams don't make it because they don't get enough votes. EX: A kid in a particlur region might get 10 votes, but a more deserving kid gets 8 because only those 8 coaches saw him play or, more importantly, vote objectively.
A kid has to make all Conf to be all region, to be all state, to be AA. All the kids that made all state are good lacrose players, but I'm not convinced they are the best NC has to offer. The system needs to change because not all coaches attend meeting and not all coaches vote objectively.